
Soldiers are not devices that were sharply made in a factory with a strict production plan so that all the products will be exactly the same and the ones that aren't due to some malfunction in one of the production units can be thrown away, Of course they aren't, any army is not a one-unit system, they are just humans and the laws of human psychology applies to all of them, the army (no matter the country) is like any humans group or gathering, it's like a society where you can find the good one and the bad one, just like all the human societies where the bad ones always try to hide their evil and wear the mask of goodness and wait for the right time to release the Satan inside them when there might be no one watching or when they have the power and authority to do evil with a very slight possibility that they might be punished…in the hard times and after some traumatic incidents the good ones might turn bad also; as everybody knows even the most honest and good men have a dark spot and a corner for evil inside them where evil can't wait to go out from that corner in which it has been kept for so many years.
Since all humans have needs and dreams and since there are many ways to achieve those dreams and get those needs so each individual chooses the path that seems best to him and it's a common sense that many of those paths are evil and we must not forget that humans are really complicated creatures where their personality, behavior, judgment and morals are affected and developed by so many factors like genetics, childhood experiences, the way they were raised and who were their parents, the incidents that happened in his life, his believes and the society he grew in…etc, all those things might have a big impact on the choice of the path and since soldiers are humans so it applies to them as well.
And we must not forget an important issue that each human have his believes and customs of his society and surroundings and some humans try to force the others to believe in what they believe and consider anybody who doesn't agree with them an enemy that should be fought, damaged or even killed and this is the most complicated problem in the world these days and as I believe it's the root of all the troubles in the modern world of globalization where nations and civilizations became so close to each other, in fact they interfered with each other so the conflicts begun.
So whether it's the Iraqi army, the US army, the Japanese army, the Mexican army or even the Philippines army, it's all composed of humans some are good and some are bad but the percentage of the bad members makes the judgment on that army along with the big events like a big humanitarian crime or something a soldier in a specific army did that shock the whole world….the credit for the good deeds is given specifically to the one who did it but the bad deeds makes the whole group looks bad even if it was one member who did evil.
I don't want to look as someone who is making propaganda or trying to make the soldiers of the Iraqi or the American army looks good…it's just loud thinking.
What brought this issue to my head and made me think about it are two incidents that I witnessed few days ago, the first was an Iraqi soldier who stopped the cars to help an old woman to cross the street and the other was a terrible road traffic accident near Adhamiya that occurred before my arrival; it was a small car (some Korean car) that crashed with a trailer and the small car was in a terrible situation and it's passengers weren't there but it was a sure thing that some one was hurt badly, I slowed down to see if there is anything I can help with and at the same time a US troops patrol passed and they stopped to check and people told them that a young kid was injured and they took him to the near-by clinic (few meters away) and they went there to see him but he was taken to AlNuman hospital so they said they will go there and take him to their hospital but what an irony that the limping guard of the near-by clinic who told them where the kid went (by the help of the interpreter) was shouting after he told them about the kid "you want to be good now, what about me? Haven't you shot me and caused me permanent damage? What will you do to me? You made me disabled and I haven't done anything wrong"
I saw the Iraqi soldier helping the old lady and many times before I have seen soldiers pointing their guns to old women, humiliating old men and driving recklessly without the need to talk about the crimes that they do that we all know about, but does this mean that the whole army is composed of bad men?
The US troops were trying to help an injured kid but how many kids did they kill by "accident" how many disabled Iraqi kids have they produced like the one that I treated recently, she was 12 years old and was shot with her family near Kilo 160 (on the high way to Jordan and Syria) her father died in that "accident"
Some Iraqi soldiers are very nice when they deal with you but some of them curse you through the loud speakers of their car just because you are in the same street that they are in!
US troops found the orphanage where the kids were tortured and abused and saved them, but how many of those are orphans because of the US troops!…the US troops also tortured, abused and raped so many people in Abu-Ghraib … they saved some people who were injured in explosions but at the same time they shoot randomly when they are attacked and some soldier even killed innocent families for no clear reason.
Few months ago as an eye witness told me " a US patrol passed in Aldubat St. in Adhamiya and some young kids were playing soccer at the sidewalk and when the convoy passed the kids started singing "He he mkhabal , he he mkhabal"
and mkhabal means crazy…I think the interpreter told them what the kids were saying and all the convoy stopped and some soldiers stepped out and pointed the guns at the kids and told them to be one line and face the wall…they stayed for some time and told the kids through the interpreter "we will go but we will be able to see you, if anyone moved he will be killed" and I don't need to tell you how the situation of the kids was"
But sometimes US troops gives candies and gifts to the kids when they are relaxed and walking in a street…they even chat with shop owners and try to build good relations with them!!!
I noticed something about the US soldiers and I'm not sure whether it's just a normal human behavior or orders they received from above. I noticed when they are in a relatively safe neighborhood where there is a slight possibility that they will be attacked they are so friendly, smiling and try to build good relations but in a more disturbed areas they are really aggressive and violent, they curse and point guns even at kids when they pass that's if they haven't shot immediately like when they shot my father when he was driving his car and didn't see them coming (they were far) and they shot his car in the gas tank…they shot in front of my car once because I was driving ahead of them in another street but parallel to them and I don't need to talk about the countless times they pointed the laser guide at me or my wife when we were in the car and they were passing.
I think most of the world heard about what they do during the houses search but thank god I haven't experienced such thing because I was searched once and they were from the good men or maybe they were good because my neighborhood is relatively US-safe! I'm not sure.
So what's the deal and who are we dealing with? What should we expect from the Iraqi and American Soldiers?
The deal is: they are humans and each soldier is different, some are good and some are bad and sometimes (as I think) they have orders (non-written) to behave badly and aggressively and sometimes they have orders to be friendly especially in the areas that they took control of and try to maintain it.
War is the time where it's so easy for good people to do good and bad people to do bad, hard times are the best times to reveal the nature of the human soul.
Since all humans have needs and dreams and since there are many ways to achieve those dreams and get those needs so each individual chooses the path that seems best to him and it's a common sense that many of those paths are evil and we must not forget that humans are really complicated creatures where their personality, behavior, judgment and morals are affected and developed by so many factors like genetics, childhood experiences, the way they were raised and who were their parents, the incidents that happened in his life, his believes and the society he grew in…etc, all those things might have a big impact on the choice of the path and since soldiers are humans so it applies to them as well.
And we must not forget an important issue that each human have his believes and customs of his society and surroundings and some humans try to force the others to believe in what they believe and consider anybody who doesn't agree with them an enemy that should be fought, damaged or even killed and this is the most complicated problem in the world these days and as I believe it's the root of all the troubles in the modern world of globalization where nations and civilizations became so close to each other, in fact they interfered with each other so the conflicts begun.
So whether it's the Iraqi army, the US army, the Japanese army, the Mexican army or even the Philippines army, it's all composed of humans some are good and some are bad but the percentage of the bad members makes the judgment on that army along with the big events like a big humanitarian crime or something a soldier in a specific army did that shock the whole world….the credit for the good deeds is given specifically to the one who did it but the bad deeds makes the whole group looks bad even if it was one member who did evil.
I don't want to look as someone who is making propaganda or trying to make the soldiers of the Iraqi or the American army looks good…it's just loud thinking.
What brought this issue to my head and made me think about it are two incidents that I witnessed few days ago, the first was an Iraqi soldier who stopped the cars to help an old woman to cross the street and the other was a terrible road traffic accident near Adhamiya that occurred before my arrival; it was a small car (some Korean car) that crashed with a trailer and the small car was in a terrible situation and it's passengers weren't there but it was a sure thing that some one was hurt badly, I slowed down to see if there is anything I can help with and at the same time a US troops patrol passed and they stopped to check and people told them that a young kid was injured and they took him to the near-by clinic (few meters away) and they went there to see him but he was taken to AlNuman hospital so they said they will go there and take him to their hospital but what an irony that the limping guard of the near-by clinic who told them where the kid went (by the help of the interpreter) was shouting after he told them about the kid "you want to be good now, what about me? Haven't you shot me and caused me permanent damage? What will you do to me? You made me disabled and I haven't done anything wrong"
I saw the Iraqi soldier helping the old lady and many times before I have seen soldiers pointing their guns to old women, humiliating old men and driving recklessly without the need to talk about the crimes that they do that we all know about, but does this mean that the whole army is composed of bad men?
The US troops were trying to help an injured kid but how many kids did they kill by "accident" how many disabled Iraqi kids have they produced like the one that I treated recently, she was 12 years old and was shot with her family near Kilo 160 (on the high way to Jordan and Syria) her father died in that "accident"

Some Iraqi soldiers are very nice when they deal with you but some of them curse you through the loud speakers of their car just because you are in the same street that they are in!
US troops found the orphanage where the kids were tortured and abused and saved them, but how many of those are orphans because of the US troops!…the US troops also tortured, abused and raped so many people in Abu-Ghraib … they saved some people who were injured in explosions but at the same time they shoot randomly when they are attacked and some soldier even killed innocent families for no clear reason.
Few months ago as an eye witness told me " a US patrol passed in Aldubat St. in Adhamiya and some young kids were playing soccer at the sidewalk and when the convoy passed the kids started singing "He he mkhabal , he he mkhabal"
and mkhabal means crazy…I think the interpreter told them what the kids were saying and all the convoy stopped and some soldiers stepped out and pointed the guns at the kids and told them to be one line and face the wall…they stayed for some time and told the kids through the interpreter "we will go but we will be able to see you, if anyone moved he will be killed" and I don't need to tell you how the situation of the kids was"
But sometimes US troops gives candies and gifts to the kids when they are relaxed and walking in a street…they even chat with shop owners and try to build good relations with them!!!
I noticed something about the US soldiers and I'm not sure whether it's just a normal human behavior or orders they received from above. I noticed when they are in a relatively safe neighborhood where there is a slight possibility that they will be attacked they are so friendly, smiling and try to build good relations but in a more disturbed areas they are really aggressive and violent, they curse and point guns even at kids when they pass that's if they haven't shot immediately like when they shot my father when he was driving his car and didn't see them coming (they were far) and they shot his car in the gas tank…they shot in front of my car once because I was driving ahead of them in another street but parallel to them and I don't need to talk about the countless times they pointed the laser guide at me or my wife when we were in the car and they were passing.

I think most of the world heard about what they do during the houses search but thank god I haven't experienced such thing because I was searched once and they were from the good men or maybe they were good because my neighborhood is relatively US-safe! I'm not sure.
So what's the deal and who are we dealing with? What should we expect from the Iraqi and American Soldiers?
The deal is: they are humans and each soldier is different, some are good and some are bad and sometimes (as I think) they have orders (non-written) to behave badly and aggressively and sometimes they have orders to be friendly especially in the areas that they took control of and try to maintain it.
War is the time where it's so easy for good people to do good and bad people to do bad, hard times are the best times to reveal the nature of the human soul.
but unfortunately, I can't think like this all the time, there are times when really bad things happen to me or someone else that I hear or witness...I'm just like all the humans; have times when my emotions become more powerful than my mind...sometimes I really hate the Iraqi army when they did what they did to me...or when I hear about the crime they have committed either with a friend, in the news or by emails and blogs or when I see them behaving like animals in the street...sometimes I really hate the US troops when they do the very evil things or when I have to wait for an hour till they move and I don't know why are they stopping in the middle of the street at the first place or when they behave like animals and cursing with a very bad language and making fun of people thinking that we don't understand what they say...etc!!! I felt great anger when I watched the movie "Battle for Haditha" because I know those things happen but it feels much stronger when you see it....I'm a human after all.
So the outlines are: most of the blame should go to the US administration who decided to go across the world looking for its benefits without caring about what will happen to a whole nation while giving the chance for the evil men to practise their evil and killing thousands in a war that they hardly could find a false reason for and the blame should go also to them when they brought the masters of evil with them and assigned them as the new leaders for Iraq and the rest of the blame should go to those criminals in the armies although they couldn't have this chance without the help of the "politicians".





27 comments:
Interesting thoughts Mohammed. I agree with most of what you write, although I haven't been unlucky enouugh to have to experience it up close so my perspective is not the same.
//Marcus
You are an unbelievable human being, i never thought a person could be so objective after what you have experienced. Thank god for people like you, otherwise this world would have been gone a long time ago. I myself wouldn't be as strong has you are. I look up to you.
And congratulations for your new family member.
I don't think we should leave Mohammed to cover the back-sides of the US military, alone with his objectivity.
When soldiers kill non-combatants (women, children, the disabled) and behave out of control, it is due to a failure of military discipline and training. Either they didn't have the right discipline or they didn't receive enough training. Some of the US soldiers in Iraq have had very little education and next to no training; Iraqi soldiers have had a very short training. It is of paramount importance that a soldier controls his feelings of fear and anger, physical and mental stress. The fact that he is carrying a lethal weapon does not of itself give him permission to use it to kill.
In all the atrocities committed by the occupying power, the last thing on the soldiers' (often drugged) minds was the instruction that they must have regard for the human rights of all persons, not damage property without cause, and that everything they do should reflect credit on their country, the military service, their brigade and themselves.
How about some objectivity from the American occupiers? I bet none of the US military deployed in Iraq has read this, Control Force Behaviour.
Indigo...What you mention is a symptom of the problem, not the cause. Simply put, Armies are meant to take territory and kill anything that might stand in their path. To train them "restraint" is contrary to the entire purpose of an army. I think you're referring to a Military Police, which is a big difference.
The U.S. has rebuilt countries before, so we know it's possible to do better than we have been. The difference between Japan/Germany and Iraq is as follows:
1: Draft- There was no shortage of manpower, and money was tight. They put people where they needed to be in order to be as effective as possible and they used military police and the exist to keep the peace. Combat troops and civilians have never mixed well in history. After the battle of Berlin, rape and looting by Russian soldiers was so bad commanders sometimes had to shoot their men.
2: Both had governments that surrendered in an orderly fashion.
Iraq never had a declaration of war or a cessation of hostilities. What goal is that average grunt fighting for? There's no visible enemy for them to direct their frustrations. Like Vietnam, that hostility has to go somewhere and usually its towards some unlucky bastard.
We could all learn something from your mature perspective about human nature. I agree with overstrung that you are an extraordinary person and I am glad you take the time to share your thoughts. You counteract a lot of ignorance.
Dr. Mohammed,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and congratualtions on the joyous event in your live. Indigo you lost the bet.
Anoniem.
Would you characterize this:
British Troops Executed 20 Captives in Southern Iraq, Say Lawyers
as lack of discipline or of training, Rachel?
Bridget
@Bridget, 20 July 2008 5:14AM,
You should try to keep up, Bridget. The UK is dealing with its soldiers that commit crimes in Iraq, and has engaged some of the most senior lawyers in the land to do so. Only a week ago, MoD to pay £3 million in compensation to Iraqi torture victims, Times 11 July 2008. The Ministry of Defence has acknowledged that the human rights of these Iraqis were breached. Also, that - equivalent to 6 million US dollars - compensation paid to the Iraqis will come out of the UK defence budget.
Show me where the US Defence Department has ever admitted that US soldiers breached the human rights of the Iraqis whose houses they trashed, the families shot at checkpoints, the prisoners tortured or detained indefinitely in their thousands without trial and without recourse to legal representation or visits from the Red Crescent?
@mike, 19 July 2008 10:23 PM
To train them "restraint" is contrary to the entire purpose of an army.
Sorry, you are completely wrong. If you don't teach them self-control, you simply have trained up a battalion of psychopaths. There is nothing normal about being a person who can kill another person, on a command or on a blind impulse. There are tens of thousands of American psychopaths on the loose in Iraq.
Why don't you read that web site at the link I posted - that's an authoritative source.
Rachel, the US has tried and convicted many soldiers for crimes they committed in Iraq, and has paid out tens of millions in reparations already. All of which is beside the point of Mohammed's essay, which is that soldiers of all nationalities, British included, are human beings, some of whom are evil. Shall I google up some more examples of British atrocities in Iraq for you?
Bridget
This post is a great example of why continuing the occupation is not the way to "win" the occupation. People who say "the U.S. must stay until we win, leave out the a second part, "then we can stay because they ask us to stay". These people have it backwards. Staying in Iraq means not winning and not leaving. Just look at this post. Mohammed is exactly the kind of fair, even headed, Iraqi that the U.S. hopes to have on its side. As the occupation drags on, the people who currently support the U.S. could be lost.
I certainly don't defend war crimes. I do find it hard to believe that U.S. soldiers are committing them. In many cases, they are probably just getting the blame for acts committed by Blackwater.
At a minimum, Blackwater should be required to wear a different color uniform than the Soldiers. That way if they are seen breaking the law the witnesses could accurately describe them as Blackwater.
Bridget, tens of millions in reparations paid already to whom? On the other hand, there are dozens of official reports of the US giving murderous Marines just a slap on the wrist. Like those who committed homicide ("manslaughter" in the UK) and were directly responsible for the death of Zeyad's cousin.
Marcus,
Thank you…and I wish you will never be unlucky as the Iraqis to experience such situations because I consider my self much luckier than many many Iraqis and I thank god for that.
Overstrung,
You are making me blush…thank you for your nice words and the warm congrats.
Indigo,
Thank you for mentioning those important things "regard for the human rights of all persons, not damage property without cause" and I think it's not about training even if those criminals spent 5 years in training they will do what they did…it's their soul that is evil.
Mike,
What you said in the first paragraph is true for the war between two armies…between two countries in which you know who your enemy is but in the situation of Iraq this can't be true, I believe.
Erin4iraq,
Thank you very much.
Bridget,
I'm aware that no matter what the country is the crimes would be done because there are bad people in it but when there are who watches every violation the soldiers do the bad men will never do anything bad, that's the problem.
Indigo,
Psychopaths…that's who do those things in all the armies of the world and the problem in Iraq is there is no one to watch the soldiers in case they did any crime and even if they did there is no enough punishment that will make the others afraid to do the evil deeds.
Anon.,
No sir, you are wrong in thinking that Iraqis can't distinguish blackwater from US soldiers or military police or marines, we know them very well and know how to distinguish between them…even Iraqi children could distinguish between Blackwater and US army from far distances…all the sides that carries guns in Iraq are committing crimes even the Iraqis.
Your words cut to the heart of both the good and evil that lives in each heart.
War is never the answer.
I think that the point of "good" soldiers vs "bad" soldiers is not what the focus should be on. The focus is whether the US soldiers have any right to be in Iraq in the first place, no matter what behaviour they engage in. Do they have a right to be harassing Iraqis and to be telling them what to do? Let's not forget, while "good" behaviour may consist of giving some kids sweets, "bad" behaviour is far more terminal, as in them shooting and killing Iraqis.
Any Iraqis are at risk. The other day they shot and killed Maliki's own nephew, in a zone supposedly under "Iraqi" control! More recently, an Iraqi governor's son was shot dead by Americans in his own house:
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2008/07/21/us_troops_kill_son_of_iraqi_governor/
Quite obviously, they're not making things better, they're making things worse, and they need to leave, as every foreign invader has to leave the country they occupy sooner or later. Rather let it be sooner.
Rachel, tens of millions of dollars have been paid by the US military to Iraqis who have filed claims for non-combat deaths and property damage pursuant to a restitution program in existence since the early days of the invasion.
I have no idea what “dozens of official reports of the US giving murderous Marines just a slap on the wrist” you refer to. Dozens of official reports regarding a single incident? At any rate, many US soldiers have been tried and convicted for crimes they have committed in Iraq. I would hope that the same can be said for British soldiers as well.
Bridget
Our news report today said that Blackwater won't be doing security work in Iraq anymore. They will train people (I assume Iraqis) to do security, but they won't do security contracts directly anymore. It's a step. Why Blackwater had such a huge roll in Iraq has been a mystery to me.
Bruno,
When are you Afrikaners going to leave South Africa? Decades of Apartheid didn't really work out for you, did it?
*
Dear Mohammed,
the post above, by Jeffrey Schuster, is truly idiotic:
"Bruno,
When are you Afrikaners going to leave South Africa? Decades of Apartheid didn't really work out for you, did it?".
Jeffrey, that hater of Iraqis (and of the friends of Iraqis), is just lying knowing perfectly well that he's lying.
'Bruno' is an Italian name, NOT an Afrikaaner one, and Bruno isn't an Afrikaaner ...
so, this rodent clown is just messing around !
LOL, Jeffrey, still sawing on the same old log, after five years. He's surrounded by shavings and matchsticks, but there's still no furniture. Poor chap.
I am totally loving the way the US troops are rigging their m-249 SAWs now! Can you believe that weapon the American is holding is the same as this? :
http://www.af.mil/news/airman/0104/m-249.jpg
That is totally kick ass. We should start issuing those to every US infantryman and give the M-4s to the Iraqi soldiers!
Better picture of it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:200111418531M249withM15A2BFA.jpg
I can't believe how small they've gotten them!
intelligent post as always, mohammed. as i said in another post, you should read "generation kill" by Evan Wright. Good portrait of what it is like to be alongside American shock troops.
A lot of the chaos you are seeing is from the poorly-trained and inexperienced soldiers, or people who shouldn't be in the position in the first place. You have to understand, the military isn't the first place that Americans turn to when they want to be successful.
American servicemen are paid generally half of what they could be paid working normal jobs here, and many people join (not the majority, but many) simply because they can't get a better job anywhere else.
This situation often leads to the crimes that have been committed in your country. There have been many solutions proposed in our country for this problem, but it's not an easy issue to fix. If we reinstate a draft, then there would be a bigger problem with morale in the armed forces (no one likes being forced into anything). Yet, if we try and attract people to the military by pay raises, there would be issues with people trying to join who weren't in it for honorable reasons, just money (and there would be the issue of vastly increasing cost for the military).
I am once again sorry that problems in the US spill over to Iraq, however, as you've seen with our forces, many people try to do the best they can for the Iraqi people.
Please find and read the book I referenced earlier, it would be good for being able to "put yourself in their shoes".
God bless, and take care.
-Morgan
American servicemen are paid generally half of what they could be paid working normal jobs here, and many people join (not the majority, but many) simply because they can't get a better job anywhere else.
Please disregard this bit Morgan wrote. It's untrue. Most US service personnel join the military immediately after graduating from high school, and have a considerably better standard of living than a person of that age and education level enjoys trying to make it on their own with a job flipping burgers at McDonald's. The standards to get into the military are a LOT higher than the standards to get such a job, also :)
Morgan,
as i said in another post, you should read "generation kill" by Evan Wright. Good portrait of what it is like to be alongside American shock troops.
Marines are shock troops, yes. But that book is about a force recon unit. Recon stands for "reconnaissance". Those marines are NOT shock troops. They specialize in stealth. Just an FYI.
Dr. Mohammed,
You are right, the demeanor of American troops changes according to the demeanor of the Iraqis they are surrounded by. If they're not acting hostile, odds are the Americans won't act hostile. If they're giving American patrols the evil eye, and hissing, and yelling "Moqtada! Moqtada!" at them, the Americans are going to feel like they might come under attack and will spin up, point their guns at people and so on. It's a two-way street, man.
And you're right, just like with anybody else, there are good and bad people with the Americans. But you should understand that most of the time, when shots are fired, it is because an Iraqi is doing something that looks threatening, like trying to drive a car into an American convoy, or not stopping for a checkpoint. And we all know that most of the time this is just somebody being stupid, but it's been five years, how can they not know better? It's tragic that innocent people die because of a misunderstanding, but when that guy behind the gun has five seconds to react, and he can't tell if the car plowing into the middle of a convoy is filled with explosives and is trying to kill him and his team or is just being driven by some idiot who is oblivious to what's going on around him, he's probably going to make the safe choice for himself. I've seen Iraqi soldiers do the same exact thing, too. Nobody wants to kill some Iraqi grandpa with cataracts, or an idiot who's got his whole family in his Opel and decides that he doesn't have to stop for a checkpoint. Nobody wants to live with that their whole life. But it's worse to let yourself and your team mates come back to mom in a closed casket.
There are a couple of moronic statements made on this site by people who would definitely fall under the category of "bad" people who would be "bad" soldiers.
Sticking your jackboot onto the neck of a seventy year old man and shoving his face into the dirt in front of his entire family is not the action of a soldier who is in danger. I don't care what the nationality of the "bad" soldier is.
I don't mean you, joe.
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